tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post4006128879689117731..comments2023-12-31T01:02:49.340-05:00Comments on FOR BASEBALL JUNKIES: HOF Debate - Mike Mussina@OCP22http://www.blogger.com/profile/06983828112048757251noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post-40467860756058186962011-06-27T16:16:02.146-04:002011-06-27T16:16:02.146-04:00I think that there is an unfair expectation placed...I think that there is an unfair expectation placed on players today. We would all agree that 300 wins is almost impossible to reach nowadays and yet we give the pitchers that get there (or get near to there) no credit. On the flip side, strikeouts aren't enough to get you into the Hall by themselves. There is no magic number and therefore, there are no automatic entries. I think that the Hall is watered down, somewhat but I don't believe it's fair to start raising the bar now. Mike Mussina is probably every bit as good as Don Sutton and Phil Niekro and there are probably worse names than them in the Hall.The OCPhttp://baseballjunkies.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post-15222753478279202362011-06-27T15:23:50.134-04:002011-06-27T15:23:50.134-04:00People are give less weight to wins and losses the...People are give less weight to wins and losses these days, which is understable. While I agree wins and losses are overrated, it can't be a coincidence that some pitchers have a lot more wins than others. It's not an accident the Mussina has 270 wins. Let's not forget he pitched in the AL East his entire career. He got hot with Baltimore right around the time the Yankees and Red Sox began picking up steam. In 57 starts against Boston he went 21-17 with a 3.66 ERA. In 19 starts against the Yanks, 6-8, 3.38 ERA. There's also the the philosophy that some guys pitch to the scoreboard. Based on some of the recent HOF inductees, I'd have to vote Mussina in. In my perfect world, there would probably be less than 100 players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post-48681011242361366132011-06-27T08:45:33.603-04:002011-06-27T08:45:33.603-04:00Good point Lefty, take away the wins and losses fr...Good point Lefty, take away the wins and losses from Mussina and he doesn't cut it.hershhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095348599514214434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post-28556931843875913552011-06-25T10:30:04.518-04:002011-06-25T10:30:04.518-04:00Mussina was one of those pitchers that when really...Mussina was one of those pitchers that when really on his game, was dominant. The problem is he wasn't always "really on".<br /><br />OT-Separate debate- Maybe you guys have discussed this before (or maybe it would make for a good future piece) Should Wins and Losses even be considered for HOF? Look at the all time, or even present day, top ten QB ratings- there are no W's and L's Plenty of great QB's that played for bad teams. NFL Passer rating does it right IMO.Leftyhttp://wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339646220153814400.post-6831541303369921202011-06-22T18:01:19.786-04:002011-06-22T18:01:19.786-04:00Now I spent half the day debating this with OCP to...Now I spent half the day debating this with OCP today. Mussina is not a HOFer. He was a very good pitcher for a long time, but never a great one. It's time to stop putting in just very good players and just put in the great ones. There's too many above average pitchers in now. <br /><br />Mussina could have made a great case for himself when he went to the Yankees. That was his time to shine and I don't think he did.hershhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095348599514214434noreply@blogger.com